The Person Who Was Missing From The Nye/Ham Debate

The internet has been a buzz after the “Creation Debate” between Bill Nye the Science Guy and Ken Ham, the CEO of Answers in Genesis.  The debate focused on the question “is creation a viable model of origins in today’s modern scientific era?”

Ham is the founder of the Creation Museum in Northern Kentucky which postulates the world was created how it is described in the book of Genesis and believes that the world is only 6000 or so years old (this model is known as Young Earth Creationist.)  Nye showed another side stating that science and evolution were the models of creation that should be accepted.

Both people gave their reasoned arguments in a bevy of pictures, graphs and charts.  They had their particular point of view and they were showing the world how they understood the world to work.  Ham is a Christian literalist and Nye is a Scientist.  Both are coming from completely different angles while looking at the same thing.  On one hand you have Ham trying to make the model of Creation found in the Bible fit the world around him and on the other you have Nye who uses the empirical method to be certain about his beliefs.  Both of these men were using their view to be the one that should be seen as true and authoritative.  Here in lies the problem.

Alexander Campbell, one of the founders of the Christian Church (Disciples of Christ) articulated the notion of perception when he wrote:

“Just as if A, B and C should each put on different colored glasses;  A puts on green spectacles, B yellow, and C blue; each one of them looks through his own glasses at a piece of white paper and concludes he is right, not remembering that he has his spectacles on.  Thus to A it appears green, to B yellow and to C blue.  They begin to argue on the subject, and it is impossible for any of them to convince another that he is wrong- each one feels a conviction next to absolute certainty that his opinion is right. But D, who has no spectacles on, and who is standing looking on during the contest very well knows that they are all wrong; he sees the spectacles on each man’s face and accounts for the difference.”[1]

Throughout the debate I could not help but to think that one person was missing: the person who doesn’t see religion and science as mutually exclusive.  Where was the person of faith who is OK with a bit of mystery in the world and OK with the notion that the world might not have been created in seven 24 hour days?

The problem with this type of debate is the same problem that people have with the political pundits in Washington: they are too polarizing.  Both sides think they have it figured out.  This is being played out in our society; a Gallup poll stated that 42% of voters claim to be Independent, while 31% affiliate with Democrats and 25% with the Republicans.  People more and more do not like to be “nailed down” in one camp or another.

Some of the biggest complaints I hear from people not in the church or those who recently left is that some churches have “it all figured out” and leave no room for questioning or growing or new ways of looking at something.  Learning, growing, shaping and forming our own ideals is something that we instill in children when we teach them critical thinking.  Why do people in some churches feel they have to become robots of their church or pastor and just spit out what they have been told to believe?

The creation debate more than likely didn’t change anyone’s mind about how the world came to be.  If anything those on either side felt their guy “won” and their view was shown in the best light.  Then there are those who struggle with faith and how the world works in harmony together.

They were left out.

The way I see it is that both Ham and Nye missed the mark.  Ham is using the Bible as a science book– the Bible is a book of faith and people’s experience with the Divine.  Nye did not leave any room for mystery and faith; it was charts, graphs, facts and figures.

There has to be a balance made.  Faith and Science do not have to be at odds with each other.  The debate was too focused on facts and not on mystery.  Where was the presenter who said “I’m not sure how this all happened, but I have faith?”

In Christ,

Rev. Evan


[1] Mark G. Toulouse, Joined in Discipleship: the Shaping of Contemporary Disciples Identity, rev. ed. (St. Louis, MO: Chalice Press, 1997), 42.
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I’m Ready To Change…. But I Need Your Help!

Next month will mark two years of evandolive.com.  I have enjoyed sharing my thoughts and feelings about life and Christianity and I look forward to the next years to come.

But… I think it’s time for a change.

I want to update the look of evandolive.com but I want your input on it.

Since the very beginning I have had the same layout and theme: iTheme2.  There’s nothing wrong with it I just think it needs a refresh or an update.

Here is a link to all the Free Themes By WordPress.

(If you find a theme that cost we might have to start a Kickstarter to get it 🙂 )

Take a look at them and let me know which one you would like to see.

I want your input because you will be one staring at it when you visit. 🙂

Thanks for your help and for your support!

In Christ,

Rev. Evan


Edit: Wrong Link to Free Temples Fixed 1/30/14 @ 4:09pm

Sermon: “Hope Realized: Jesus The Light of the World”

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English: Orthodox Christmas decoration Српски / Srpski: Православнa Божићна декорација,Храм Васкрсења господњег у Ваљеву 2010 (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

Below is a link to a sermon I preached on Christmas Eve entitled “Hope Realized: Jesus The Light of the World” based on Isaiah 9:2-7.

(Recorded by Voice Record Pro by Bej Bej Apps for iOS)

In Christ,

Rev. Evan

Sermon: “Treasured Words”

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Virgin Mary (Photo credit: MichaelHDJ)

Below is a link to a sermon I preached entitled “Treasured Words” based on Luke 2:1-20.

http://k007.kiwi6.com/hotlink/5oalx1lf7f/20131215-112106.mp3
(Recorded by Voice Record Pro by Bej Bej Apps for iOS)

In Christ,

Rev. Evan

Sermon: “The Kingdom of Heaven Has Come Near!”

 

Below is a link to a sermon I preached entitled “The Kingdom of Heaven Has Come Near!” based on Matthew 3:1-12 on December 8, 2013.

http://k007.kiwi6.com/hotlink/s3evmwgbjh/20131208-112407.mp3
(Recorded by Voice Record Pro by Bej Bej Apps for iOS)

In Christ,

Rev. Evan

Sermon: “Remember Me In Your Kingdom”

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Below is a link to a sermon I preached entitled “Remember Me In Your Kingdom” based on Luke 22:33-43 (Christ The King Sunday 2013)

http://k007.kiwi6.com/hotlink/1cboi2mnhw/Remember_Me_In_Your_Kingdom.mp3
(Recorded by Voice Record Pro by Bej Bej Apps for iOS)

In Christ,

Rev. Evan

Sermon: “It’s Not Our Call”

Below is a link to a sermon I preached on November 17, 2013 entitled “It’s Not Our Call” based on Luke 18:9-14

http://k007.kiwi6.com/hotlink/ju9p00nmfo/its_not_out_call.mp3
(Recorded by Voice Record Pro by Bej Bej Apps for iOS)

In Christ,

Rev. Evan

New Adventure: Rev Ev and Ray Show

For a while now, my friend Ray and I have been wanting to do something different with respects to Christianity. We have had several conversations about the future of the Church and how the Church can sometimes miss the mark or the perception of Christianity is not what we believe it should be.

We would have long lunch conversations airing our thoughts and concerns, but we realized that more people probably had the same ideas as we did. We’ve wanted to do some type of vidcast or podcast for a while now but our lives were busy with jobs and families (they still are). But we took some time and thanks to Google Hangouts On Air we are able to record and converse about Christianity, theology and the like.

Who knows where this will take us but we have had fun so far.

We would love to hear from you!

Enjoy the video below.

In Christ,

Rev. Evan


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Sermon: “One Or Two Masters?”

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Money cash (Photo credit: @Doug88888)

 

Below is a link to a sermon I preached on November 10, 2013 entitled “One or Two Masters” based on Luke 16:1-13

http://k007.kiwi6.com/hotlink/0kf23pf58x/one_or_two_masters.mp3
(Recorded by Voice Record Pro by Bej Bej Apps for iOS)

In Christ,

Rev. Evan

200 Posts Later: What I Have Learned

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Fireworks #1 (Photo credit: Camera Slayer)

 

My first post was on February 28, 2013 (view it here).  Today is a milestone for me; this post marks the 200th post on evandolive.com. I am well aware that 200 posts in a drop in the bucket compared some other bloggers but I believe have learned a thing or two about writing and publishing.

  1. It Doesn’t Have To Be Earth Shattering:  One of the biggest things I (still) struggle with is the notion that I have to blow some brain cells by trying to craft some deep, powerful theological sentence or paragraph.  I have learned that sometimes the simpler the better is the way to go.  There are times to be deep and there are times to jovial.
  2. Stay True To You: It is easy to slip into a mode to where you tell people what they want to hear (or think they want to hear) rather than just speaking from your context and theology.
  3. You’ll Never Know What People Will Like: Case in point: My Letter To Victoria’s Secret which I never though would garner nearly 4 million hits.  On the other hand there are some posts that I believe people will find interesting or profound and hardly anyone reads it.  The point is… keep putting content out there.

I want to thank you for reading, sharing, liking, tweeting and commenting.  It has been a wild ride so far and I look forward to the next 200!

In Christ,

Rev. Evan