An open letter to Victoria’s Secret regarding their choice to make an underwear line aimed at young teenagers. (Read about it here)
Dear Victoria’s Secret,
I am a father of a three year old girl. She loves princesses, Dora the Explorer, Doc McStuffins and drawing pictures for people. Her favorite foods are peanut butter and jelly, cheese and pistachios.
Even though she is only three, as a parent I have had those thoughts of my daughter growing up and not being the little girl she is now. It is true what they say about kids, they grow up fast. No matter how hard I try I know that she will not be the little ball of energy she is now; one day she will be a rebellious teenager that will more than likely think her dad is a total goof ball and would want to distance herself from my embarrassing presence.
I know that this is far down the line and I try to spend as much time as I can with her making memories of this special time.
But as I read an article today posted on The Black Sphere, it really got me thinking that maybe the culture that we currently find ourselves in is not helping the cause.
Recently I read an article that Victoria’s Secret is launching a line of underwear and bras aimed at middle school aged children. The line will be called “Bright Young Things” and will feature ” lace black cheeksters with the word “Wild” emblazoned on them, green and white polka-dot hipsters screen printed with “Feeling Lucky?” and a lace trim thong with the words, “Call me” on the front.”
As a dad, this makes me sick.
I believe that this sends the wrong message to not only my daughter but to all young girls.
I don’t want my daughter to ever think that her self-worth and acceptance by others is based on the choice of her undergarments. I don’t want my daughter to ever think that to be popular or even attractive she has to have emblazon words on her bottom.
I want my daughter (and every girl) to be faced with tough decisions in her formative years of adolescence. Decisions like should I be a doctor or a lawyer? Should I take calculus as a junior or a senior? Do I want to go to Texas A&M or University of Texas or some Ivy League School? Should I raise awareness for slave trafficking or lack of water in developing nations? There are many, many more questions that all young women should be asking themselves… not will a boy (or girl) like me if I wear a “call me” thong?
I want my daughter to know that she is perfect the way she is; I want my daughter to know that no matter what underwear she is wearing it does not define her.
I believe that this new line “Bright Young Things” thwarts the efforts of empowering young women in this country. “Bright Young Things” gives off the message that women are sex objects. This new line promotes it at a dangerously young age.
I implore you to reconsider your decision to start this line.
By doing so you will put young girl’s self-esteem, self-worth and pride above profits.
Sincerely,
Rev. Evan Dolive
Houston, TX
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Thong underwear is great under clothing to hide panty lines. So, This I think should be allowed. But provocative wording is a bad idea. As a mother I wouldn’t allow it. Lace has been on kids underwear since they were toddlers. THat too should be alright. Pretty is pretty. The mind is what would turn lace into a ‘dirty’ thing. But words…say it clearly. So I vote a ‘yes’ to the thong and lace. And ‘no’ to wording. I think they will see a huge drop in marketing profits predicted to be higher.
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As a former VS Store Manager (back when I was in college several years ago) I too support your letter and cause. When I represented the brand, the lines where much more conservative and designed for women not little girls. VS Pink line has walked the grey line between little girls and mature women. However, this new line you are bringing to our attention is completely inappropriate. VS has standards, and I trust they will act in accordance to their standards and values. To work at VS you have to be 18 years old, yet to wear their items you can now be as young a middle school? The Limited Corporation who owns VS should know better and I hope will take a good long look at their own daughters, sisters, nieces and children in their lives. Yes, good parenting is important and it can go a long way in having a discussion with your girls about this concern. However, we all have a responsibility to children. I have two little girls myself and I would not purchase anything you are highlighting for them. I pray that VS will acknowledge their influential power in young girl’s lives. Today, I am a Pastor not a VS Manager. I still support VS and believe that it important for girls to have a healthy body image and self-esteem. VS has an opportunity here to gain support from parents such as us as we raise our girls to be healthy women.
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Only in North America would we (as a culture) pimp out our pre-teen children then scream at the authorities “We need to do something about all these pedophiles accosting our kids on the internet.” — People as individuals for the most part are smart. But as a culture we’re nothing more then a herd of cattle being led by the media-cowboys who TELL us what we should think/wear/etc…. STOP complaining about it and start exercising the single most powerful tool you have…. your ability to choose to NOT buy into it… and as a parent I have decided that it’s far more important for my KID’S SAKE that I suffer the role of the “bad guy” and say “NO” … it sucks to be the bad guy, but it is the RIGHT thing to do as a parent.
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What’s next pampers by VS?
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I worked part time at VS while in college and never considered most of their clothing appropriate for teenagers let alone middle school. These type of “suggestive” garments will make a girl feel more focused on her sexuality in a way that encourages flirtation and experimentation prematurely. I’m in favor of abstinence, but even in this society, we can all agree that teen sexuality needs no encouragement, but rather education on consequences and self control.
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I one hundred percent agree. I’m in college in Philadelphia and feel that sending this message to young girls is completely wrong. Girls should not feel as if they have to wear promiscuous clothing with those kinds of slogans to be “sexy.” All girls may not claim to want to be attractive or care about it but they all do. They’ll end up doing whatever is seen as popular and widely accepted. Please reconsider this line.
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I agree 100% with the father’s sentiments, both as a father and a consumer. But didn’t he mention other commercialized objects and concepts that his daughter already blindly consumes, princes and certain toy lines? Part of this is becoming a sophisticated purchaser of not only clothing but of ideas. Why would anyone encourage their daughter to emulate princesses archetype, the damsel in distress, the passive vessel of the male gaze? Disney, in a sense, sexualizes girls much younger than their early teens, priming them for subservient gender roles as early as 3 years old. This is all tied together, systemically. Teach your children to be critical consumers of this crap. Why do I want this? What is this company selling me and why? What are they getting out of it? How are they goading me or manipulating me, my insecurities, my vanity? If all parents did this then twelve year old girls would be more likely to feel pity for their peers prancing around in lacy garments, than envy or anything else.
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Actually, the Disney princesses line has been modernized, in my opinion. Gone are the images of Cinderella standing beside her prince waiting for a kiss or a dance. You are more likely to see a picture of a princess standing confidently on her own, “surveying her realm” and projecting confidence, independence, kindness, compassion and all those other princess-like qualities that we have admired in royalty since time began. Yes, the princesses are made-up, dressed and hairstyled, but I think Disney is really starting to think about their princesses’ inner beauty.
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I would argue that Disney, at least in recent years, has given a huge boost to female self-esteem. Movies like “Brave,” “Tangled,” “Princess and the Frog,” even back to “Pocahontas” and “Mulan” put girls in the hero position- no longer are we the damsels in distress, but we hold the key to our own future. That being said, “Snow White” is my favorite movie. And I consider myself a feminist. And I’m a conservative, evangelical fundamentalist Christian. Disney’s early movies portray the traditional role of women in society. If we’re going to be gung-ho about everything we observe and entertain ourselves with, we’re going to be a very unimaginative society. Christians and feminists (interesting that the end goal here is the same for both groups) who deem any “girly” thing to be demeaning are doing a disservice to the very females they are trying to empower. Is it okay for me to be a stay-at-home mom? Is it okay for me to be a working mother? Is it okay for me to make that decision for myself (if given the financial and familial support)? Can I wear a dress one day and jeans the next? Can I wear make-up if I feel like it, or will that be sexualizing myself? Is it alright if I want to feel pretty, because deep down every girl wants to feel pretty, whether it’s as a princess, movie star, or dressing up in her mother’s clothes. I’m not saying I have the answers to these questions, and certainly I agree with the sentiment of this article and in no way feel thongs of any type are an appropriate choice for tweens, but if we’re going to “pity” others for their choices, then, well, we’re not doing anyone any good.
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I feel the same way this father does. When we are young and naive we try to grow up too fast. Then we become adults and we come to realize we are going to be all grown up for the next 60 years or more. We begin to long to be children again without all the responsibility of an adult. Please don’t encourage our sons and daughters to grow up any faster then they already are let them enjoy their sweet childhood as long as they can without pressuring them to be something they are too young to be, a sex object. Sincerely, Julia Pavlicek
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Maybe VS should be and 18 and older type of store.
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I remember being a teen loving vs but luckily my mother did not buy vs lingerie for me. As a teacher, I completely disagree that vs should have a line geared for young teens. They already have so many insecurities and lack the knowledge to know the difference between what is supposedly cool and what is sucking away at their already delicate self-worth. Victoria’s secret must re-consider such a line.
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Reblogged this on Senorita Still Standing and commented:
I completely agree!
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We live in a world of teen age pregnancies leaving grandmas to raise their babies. A world where children as young as 8 are sexually active instead of playing with babies and GI joes . A world full of disgusting pedophiles who hide behind every occupation waiting to attack our children. We live in a world where rape has become almost acceptable and young girls are afraid to say no. We live in a world where the average age a girl or boy for that matter loses their virginity by age 12 Most of us are justifiably horrified by this but we continue to stand by and let our babies dress provocatively ,leather pants on 9 year olds Skirts that show mOre than anyone needs to see in a 12 year old and sayings that encourage sexual behavior at an age where our children are nowhere near ready for it. Victoria secret should be ashamed and as parents we should all stand up and fight for our kids
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Something worth considering (perhaps noted earlier, but I’m not going to read every response): increasingly creepier sexualization and wink-and-a-nod sexual marketing tactics wouldn’t even be a ‘thing’ if we didn’t have to live every damned day with the oppressive baggage of the Puritanical fetishization of the horror of sexuality. Grow up people, and realize sex and bodies and genitals AREN’T EVEN AN ISSUE. The same applies to the spread of STD’s, teenage pregnancy, etc. – stop making sex “dirty” and you’ll stop seeing it manifest in destructive ways.
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There is nothing Puritanical about protecting the virtue of your young daughter. In many countries there are laws against this sort of thing. In others, there are social taboos. In Europe, inbreeding is almost as rampant as whores, so go ahead and use that as a defense. some of us would just like our little girls to remain pure for a few years before creeps like you start leering at them on the beach.
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I think what he means is that our Puritanical beliefs about sexuality (which we do have and your use of the word “whore” is evidence) are the root cause of destructive sexual practices and behaviors – like marketing sexually suggestive underwear to young girls.
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Hello??? We are talking about marketing sex to 11 and 12 year olds! You need to “grow up”! And while you are at it, get some therapy, because you obviosly had some horrendous parenting and need to work this out.
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I have 4 daughters and nothing is more disturbing then making teenage girls a sex object as VS is wanting to do with this new line.I have decided that shopping at VS is not an option for me or my girls. Girls need to be encouraged to do good, positive, and uplifting things in their life not to wear sexy under clothes which NOONE should see anyways. VS is really crossing the line even further with the thought of this new line. Seriously who sits down and draws these bras and underwear with young girls in mind, seems a bit creepy to me. I really hope that VS will rethink this decision. It wouldn’t hurt to also rethink the commercials and posters that hang in the stores. My sons do not need to see things like that either. Woman and girls are amazing daughters of God not sex objects for men or boys.
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I would advise not using the word “God” as part of your argument if you are looking to convince anyone of anything. “God” is a controversial topic that either turns off or connects people. I would keep that in mind.
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BRAVO!
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Agree!! You should start a petition on
Change.org with this letter. I’m disgusted by their move to target kids.
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I have a 13 yo daughter, and we have already gone through several battles in the “underwear wars”. Between aerie, pink, and VS, it has been excruciating. She even cried b/c she thought I was calling her a slut for wanting to wear these things. It was difficult to find non-judgmental words to tell her the difference between projecting modest femininity and premature sexuality. Not to mention the fact that we would be spending more money on her lingerie than I spend on my granny panties. We managed a necessary compromise, with some colorful Hanes that will still show through her clothes because it is almost impossible to find neutral shades. Underwear has become fashion, and I am not happy about it. I can’t get that part of my daughter’s innocence back, but I need her to understand that there is a lot more at stake here than my bank balance. As long as we are able to keep the lines of communication open, the war isn’t lost.
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You are so on the money!! Well said. I could have died of embarrassment when a high school teacher commented to me, “I like your Ziggy underwear”. I had white pants on & nobody told me the whole day, (including my parents who I’m sure didn’t notice) that Ziggy could be seen on my behind through my pants. That was over 20 years ago & things have really changed! Like you said, “underwear has become a fashion”.
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Refusing to buy the products WILL NOT CHANGE ANYTHING. its insignificant number to the market share.
Rising A MEDIA BUZZ, collecting opinions, writing letters will do a change!
creating a bad reputation to a comapny and making it aware will make a change!
its very simple!
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How come nobody collects this letters and opinions and sends it to media or VS head quarters???????
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And we wonder why we have so many teen pregnancies, rape, sexual predators/child molesters! Instilling good moral values in our children is good & is our responsibility as parents. However, society keeps throwing sex & emphasis on “outward” beauty in our children’s faces every day with TV, clothing, movies, music, etc….now I’m fairly certain i can speak for every parent that we do not expect corporations to do our parents FOR us, BUT corporations like VS should seriously consider leaving children/teens out of the equation to HELP not hinder their impressionable minds just to make more money. We should be teaching our girls to respect themselves. They have enough pressures in life to deal with.
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Do you really think they care one iota what you think? As with everything these days, it is ALL about the money!
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Agree 100% with the father…..VS please consider this project, you are already making enough money with grown ups and parents in case all our efforts would be useless, just make sure your girls don’t get a hand on these underwears.
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I agree with this article and think that VS can go very far by following the messages that companies like DOVE have: Everyone is Beautiful, as you are. A female does not need to feel like a sex object to be empowered. As an adult (after the impressionable years have passed), sexy clothes become an educated decision, not a cry to fit in with friends. I applaud this father for raising this concern. There are other ways to make money from the same age segment.
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I agree! I think VS is in a great position to take up a positive campaign like Dove and I hope to see it in the future!
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Fully agree with this Dad. Wish all parents were this concerned about messages sent out to our young women. These children will be out world leaders someday!
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Agree!!
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A 16 year old can drive herself to the mall. A 15 year old will probably have 16 year old friends that will drive her to the mall. A 13 and 14 year old will be dropped off at the mall on a Saturday to spend time with her friends. A CHILD has every opportunity to buy this stuff without an older woman present to be a good role model. A parent can raise their daughter amazingly, but she can still fall victim to peer pressure.
I am in my mid-20s and I’ve shopped at Victoria’s Secret a long time and have always hated the clothing with ‘raunchy’ words written across them, and I know most of my friends feel the same way. A collection apparently meant to mimic what older women are wearing does not need merchandise like this.
Beyond the issue of parents verses society, I personally believe that Victoria’s Secret is a unique business that is extremely well known and I would hope they would use their position to make a difference in our society. They need to encourage strong women and discourage the negative sexual stereotypes women are fighting everyday.
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Thank you for writing this letter. VS is sending the wrong message all for creating profits.
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What about, simply being a good mother and a good Christian. No, that is not good enough, women must have careers. This father does not like the message that society sends out and the cultural environment his daughter is faced with. Sex sells. But what about his own seduction caused by our culture which he himself is teaching his daughter? That women MUST be competitive, they MUST go to college, they MUST do the politically correct thing and “save the planet” (which is an impossibility in itself). To have the right kind of job. To be accepted by society under these conditions is no better than the fears he addresses in his letter. Empowering women? In what way? What does that mean? She does not need a man? Being independent and being a female chauvinist (feminist) are two different things. Having not just a job that puts food and clothing on her and her families back is not enough. She must have the right kind of job, with the right company, so she can be a stand up contributor to society. Going to all the politically correct schools. What about going to a community collage studying business because she wants to be a hair dresser or open a flower shop, or maybe she does not want to go to collage at all and simply be a waitress or work in a dress shop? What if she wants to marry a man who will provide for her and her family and be traditional wife? What will he think of his daughter then? Will he think he has failed as a good father? His daughter becomes a good mother and a good wife and is obedient and faithful to Christ and his Church, is this enough for him or will he be ashamed that his daughter did not go to Texas A&M and become a doctor or lawyer? So he teaches her to respect her body, excellent, that is good, but that is only a start. What else has he taught her and what will she become? There is much more out there in our culture that will destroy his daughter than sexuality and where it belongs.
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You have clearly read far too deeply into the “choices” section of this gentleman’s letter. He wants his daughter to be able to make her OWN choices not influenced by society. Does he hope that she will go to a good school and follow a strong career path? Surely, he does – not because he feels that her performance as a daughter reflects at all on his abilities as a father, but simply because he wants the assurance that she will be able to fully care for herself without needing a significant other to rely on.
Life is one step at a time, and until we each find someone with whom we are comfortable and safe sharing our lives with, we, as PEOPLE and not just women, must be taught to look out for Number One – the SELF – first and foremost. It is too difficult to survive in today’s day and age without a degree. I, myself, am nearing the end of my college career, and I’m not certain how I want to spend the rest of my life at this point in time. Of course, my dream is to be a stay-at-home wife and mother, but right now I am unmarried and without children – and I still need to take care of myself. Beyond that, what happens if – God forbid – my someday-husband is befallen by a terrible accident which renders him unable to work, and we have a child to care for? Suddenly, the weight of providing for my family is on MY shoulders – and a college degree would be awfully handy in that instance.
This father is not stressing his “expectations” of his daughter. He is stressing that he wants her to have the ability to make smart decisions and choices for HERSELF with as little outside influence as possible, because he wants her to be prepared for whatever life may throw at her in the future. As long as she is happy, safe, and provided for (be that by herself or anyone else), I think her father will be happy for and proud of her.
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Amen!!
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How come nobody collects this letters and opinions and sends it to media or VS head quarters??????? Why dont you make a change?
ANYONE???
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Victoria doesn’t have any more secrets!
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Yep! Maybe sex toys are going to be next. Oh, kids can’t have sex? SO let’s give them harmless toys instead! Where does it stop???
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Victoria’s Secret is doing what any corporation does: selling product to increase profits for shareholders. It doesn’t matter to a company if the product it sells is not healthy. The only response that will get Victoria’s Secret’s attention about this dreadful product is if no none buys any.
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OR if people unite and make a big buzz out of it.
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Props to you, sir. I thank you for this. And as a mother of a 3 year old boy, I do not want him to ever be the judge of anyone because of their underwear choices. In fact, I feel my son has no business seeing anyone’s underwear until he’s an adult–and is fully capable of making choices with whom to spend time and form relationships well before the any intimacies of seeing underwear comes along…
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I agree with the dad on extent but first off all some teens have to go here to get bras because walmart an other places are cheaply made vs has bras and panties that arent bad and if a middle schooler is wearing the provocative ones thats a problem
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What about Penney’s, Sears and Macy’s?
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bullshit that this type of “suggestive” clothing will cause her to experiment prematurely. when i bought thongs giggling with my friends when were 11 I wasn’t planning to do anything sexual with them at all.
“experimentation” (as opposed to a girl turning into a woman and becoming aware of herself and owning her sexuality) has nothing to do with clothing. i don’t know what i was wearing when i was 5 and the little boy kissed me behind the red plastic oven in the play area. and there was absolutely nothing enticing about my clothes when my elementary school best friend proposed that she pretend to be my gynecologist.
you’d be better off focusing on your child self esteem then what she’s wearing if you’re worried about the messages she’s receiving from our toxic culture. why wouldn’t you let your kid wear what EVERYBODY ELSE IS WEARING just because you’re preoccupied with her sexuality. seems like giving her messages that what she wears is going to turn her into a slut and trying to police her sexuality when what she’s wearing is standard is going to make her have issues with perceiving herself as, or being, a slut.
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Your argument for why the little girl should wear these clothes is that… “everybody else is wearing them”?
Encouraging people to be FOLLOWERS is certainly not going to do our society any favors.
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and you would suggest they wear a habit? i’m not encouraging anybody to be a follower. I’m sure you put on bottoms when you go out. Does that mean have no true opinions of your own and are just another pantswearer? Your clothing doesn’t define who you are.
There is more that distinguishes girls from one another than their clothing. There’s also personality.
teenages want to fit in. girls dress like all the other girls so that they DONT get attention for being the freak who doesn’t fit in. they may want to upstage their friends and be the hotest girl and get boys attention, but i think the main goal is to not stand out.
if you’re the girl who no one talks to cos youre sheltered and dress like a nun, sure you’re not going to be a follower, but you’re unlikely to be a leader either. people like to fit in physically so that they can let their personality speak for them rather than their clothes.
if i was black in an all white place, and i was painfully aware that i was different, i would hold back my opinions so as to not make myself a freak twice over. if i was that hot chick that everybody wants to be i wouldnt think twice about telling people what i thought.
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i think that if i got the message from my parents that i was “different” from everyone else and then they put me in a tent to announce to everyone that I was different that I’d do everything in my power to conform and follow and show everybody that, despite appearances, i’m normal just like you.
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Rev. Dolive,
I wholeheartedly agree with your letter. As a grandparent of adolescent girls they should not and I repeat not be wearing suggestive clothing of any sort. They are not old enough to make a decision regarding their sexuality and clothing of this nature puts an emphasis on it. Parents who would buy or allow their children to buy this type of clothing are out of their minds. They are the ones who have control over the purse strings and over what their children wear and I hold them accountable when their children are allowed to dress like tramps. Parents need to take responsibility for raising their young women with confidence and pride in herself and not be defined by what she wears. I am so glad that I raised my daughter this way. She is a confident and beautiful woman who is raising her daughters the same way. And never, never did I allow her to wear anything that was remotely suggestive and I am appalled that a store such as VS would target young adolescents with their vile apparel. Stick with adults and let children be children for as long as they can be children.
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Parents need to take responsibility for raising their young women with confidence and pride in herself and not be defined by what she wears
…when their children are allowed to dress like tramps.
you honestly don’t see the contradiction? you don’t get that “you’re body is your own, treasure it” and “wearing what i don’t like makes you a tramp?” are opposite messages?
telling her not to dress like a tramp is telling her that she’s there for your visual consumption. so she wears a turtleneck. now she’s in the habit of conforming her appearance to gain approval. so what’s to stop her from dressing like a tramp when she finds out boys like tramps?
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i think that if i got the message from my parents that i was “different” from everyone else and then they put me in a tent to announce to everyone that I was different that I’d do everything in my power to conform and follow and show everybody that, despite appearances, i’m normal just like you.
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woops, i posted in the wrong place
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THANK YOU! Thank you so, so much for this! As a young woman half-way through college who works at a day care with young children {3-4} and who has younger friends/cousins/nephews of both sexes this is one of the most important messages to look at and say “This has no validation!” Whether it’s the young men in my life who I want to grow up loving and respecting women or the young women and little girls in my life who deserve to be shielded from the malice put upon most women in this age- things like this should NOT be allowed to fly! Thank you, thank you!
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I soooo agree with him! This type of “clothing” is not suitable for any minor child. Leave it to the adults. This only promotes sex and the last thing we need is more children doing it and having more babies or getting more diseases. Even if they are not doing it, they don’t need more pressure than they are already getting from their peers. All this says, is that’s its perfectly ok for the kids to have sex or think about having it, it is not teaching them to refrain from it at all. We should be teaching them self worth and restraint. You should care about yourself and it is ok to say no is what they should be learning, not teasing or enticing guys. Besides, think about this… Why should their panties say anything unless there is someone to read them, and exactly who is it that’s reading them and why are they seeing them in the first place? THESE ARE TOTALLY INAPPROPRIATE!
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I could,’t have said it any better. Please don’t start the Bright Young Thing line of underwear!
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Only thing left to say is amen. Hope somebody at VS takes the time to read this and take it to heart
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I am a mother of 5 children and 2 step children and I see the father’s point. The differences in our society from when my oldest was born 21 years ago, to now is crazy! We have girls of all ages being raped and killed, and the rapists use the excuse that thier clothing was provacative! You would think that the people in charge of children’s clothing would take this into consideration and make better choices in what to market for them. But…we also have parents who don’t give a rat’s ass what thier kids do, and this is where we have younger children buying adult items. The parents do need to take responsibility for what thier children learn. BUT< YOU WOULD THINK THAT THE DAMN STORES WOULD HELP US IN OUR CAUSE…KEEPING OUR CHILDREN SAFE AND YOUNG! ARE WE GOING TO START MARKETING NAKED CHILDREN IN ADS FOR THE LINE TOO?
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wow. you just said little girls get raped because they dress too sexy. did the little girl really cause her rape when she put on the tiny dress, or did our entire pearl clutching culture cause her rape when we all shook are heads and said “well, what can you expect when she dresses that way”, giving the rapist a way to justify his actions. the rapist says “if she didn’t want to get raped, she shouldn’t have dressed like a grown woman,” and then you agree that, yes, it is her fault. wow. it amazes me when somebody says it’s a grown woman’s fault because of her clothing. you’re taking that a step further and saying that the child had a responsibility to prevent her rape. if she’s responsible for being molested, the rapist isn’t. i guess we can all go have sex with little girls as long as they’re, in our own opinion, tarted up enough.
the rapist gives many excuses. if it isn’t her clothes, it’s because she seemed flirty, or maybe experimented with some alcohol with friends, or she was just plain helpless and he wanted to rape.
when you give a girl a list of rules she has to follow so she doesn’t get raped, she can still get raped, and now it’s her fault because she didn’t double check the list. is that the message we want to send if we’re concerned about the safety of children?
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i was raped as a child and it had nothing to do with my clothing. it was because my mom was a prude who never explained to me what sex was and that i had the right to control when it happened. all of the social isolation and keeping me at the house because they were scared my neighbor’s pothead dad could rape me led to me getting raped in my own house. hiding sexuality from children IS NOT the answer.
please don’t use stories like mine (the rape of a child) to make the argument that rape is the child’s fault.
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I’m a mom and a wife and I used to be a teenager. I remember how important it was to get my first bra, and I remember getting my first VS underwear. I like VS and get most my undergarments there. That being said, I think VS should have a preteen line; preteens need to wear underwear as well. I think they can make thongs as well; thongs are worn so that you cannot see your pantyline through nice pants or a dress. (And boys can also be distracted by a pantyline showing.) I’m appalled that VS would call this a preteen line and put any words on it relating to sex. (So appalled that I almost don’t believe it.) I hope that VS will rethink the words used. Dove has a very successful campaign that says “love the skin your in” that challenges people to look at beauty a different way. I think VS could launch a successful line that would help empower our teens to value and guard their sexuality while letting them look forward to the future when they would wear a more adult VS line at the appropriate time. Maybe the word “mine” on the front would work better than “call me.”
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i like your “mine” idea
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i’m really grateful that i have a father who never said one word to me in my life about how much skin i was showing. (i do dress rather conservatively though. maybe because i wasn’t trying to rebel against a message of “hide your titties, they’re too sexy!” from my own father.)
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It is disturbing to me! It’s disturbing that there is now a push for young girls to feel that they should want their body to look sexy. Why would you buy an under garment like that if you expected that no one will ever see it? They know that it will be seen, they’ll want it to be seen. Girls dress together in a locker room at school and they’ll see their friends wear it, or the “popular” girls and “attractive” girls wearing it. They’ll get the message that you need to show off your booty (especially with sexual invitations on it!!) in order to be attractive and liked. It will ruin them. Girls that age are already struggling to find their place in the world and to find out who they are and who they want to be. They don’t deserve this. I find it sad and disturbing that V.S. would desire a higher income even if it means exploiting young girls’ bodies to earn that profit!!! Sickening that’s what it is.
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I totally agree with Chel. Her description on what it will do to girls is right on the ball.
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This new line they want to launch is absolutely sinfull. Where are your morals. There are more important things in this world than the almighty dollar. I agree with that dad 100%. They are sending the wrong message to these young girls. They should not feel they need to wear these types of things to be beautiful. I have a 14 yr. old grandaughter and I can’t believe how fast she is growing up and there is NO WAY she would be allowed to wear this type of thing. Who ever came up with this idea, I don’t know how you can look at yourself in the mirror.
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I agree with this dad. I am a mother of two teenage girls, I will never step foot in that store and neither will my daughters
. Is there any line they are not willing to cross?
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